SO YOU THINK YOU’RE ROYAL?
It’s an amazing statistic, but almost half the UK population is related to a British king or queen. Many families have whispered stories of such glittering connections passed down through generations, but the problem can be finding the proof.
So You Think You’re Royal? sets out to solve the mysteries and prove one way or the other whether ‘ordinary’ families can have very extraordinary royal roots. Every week a different family’s legend about their blood links to the monarchy is put to the test.
Historian Saul David takes each family on a very personal and often emotional journey of discovery. Delving into their social history he attempts to reveal the truth about a hidden royal association.
The genealogical research is carried out by Nick Barratt, who uncovers the records that can either prove the royal connection, or dash the family’s hopes. Giving the final seal of approval is Charles Mosley, Editor-in-Chief of Debrett’s, the recognised authority on the British aristocratic establishment.
Until you search you never know who lurks within your family tree – kings, queens, dukes and princes perhaps, or just generation after generation of peasants and paupers! So You Think You’re Royal? uncovers the truth, once and for all.
In the first episode housewife Geraldine Cummings has always been told by her father (an Irish bricklayer) that they were related to Grace Kelly – the Hollywood icon turned real-life princess. With the help of Nick Barratt, Geraldine and her family go on a journey that will take them as far as Monaco in order to prove their story.
Sky One Monday 14 May 2007 at 22:00
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Hi Albert,
I am not offended at all, i like discussing these things, and would prefer to know the truth. I forgot my name, but realised that it is used, when you mentioned Princess Diana. How wonderful that you met her, and i too had an Auntie Edna.
It was very interesting what you said about the Magna Carta`s. Like you said, all freedom and decisions are not in our own hands now, but the EU, and the false catholic church. I found this on the British Israel site:
As we know, what happened in history was that another concept of monarchy developed in Europe, centred on Rome. An early Christian church group in Rome based on the exiled Christian monarchy of Britain, of Caradoc or Caractacus, was founded in AD 58. Centuries later in AD 607 the Bishop of Rome was given the title of Pope, or universal bishop, by the wicked Emperor Phocas. From then on, in the minds of many in Europe and eventually in the rest of the civilized world and for Christians in particular, the Kingdom of God became a Church, with the popes becoming as monarchs upon the papal throne, rather than the literal kingdom of Israel.
What we do not know at this point is whether Britain will emerge from the EU before the system falls.
I stand corrected about Elizabeth, as you know far more than i do about the Royal line, but i have ordered a chart which claims that she is, so i will tell you what it says when it arrives, but this is what i found on the site which made me think it was true.
The Royal Line of David remained intact, from King David in Palestine, via Ireland, Scotland and England to Queen Elizabeth II today. The world’s Greatest Throne – as opposed to the counterfeit throne in the Vatican at Rome.
Are you living in Melbourne now, and are you recognised by any of the Royal family as being part of the Hanover family?
Also what is the German name of Elizabeth, as i know it was changed to Windsor?
Thanks Albert,
Dianne
Albert, i meant to add this from the British Israel site:
The European Union is a stepping stone towards a pagan system of World Government which is now tied into monetary union coming before political and constitutional union among the 27 member states. This has never been tried before in history and prophetically it is doomed to fail.
Hi Dianna.
One thing you must know.
I have not read any of the site you write of,British Israel.
But what I write, is what has been said and told, to me by my family members, over the years, and what I have come across, when looking for truth, to what they have said.
One good book to have a look at is
Lines of Succession, Heraldry of the Royal Families of Europe, by Jiri Louda and Michael mac Lagan.
Then go to page 29 and read the section, The Hanoverians. It states,
I quote,
When Anne died in 1714 the Electress Sophia was a few weeks dead and the next Prodestant heir was her son George Louis The Elector of Hanover,accordingly he became King George 1 of Great Britain.Fifty-seven living men women and children had a better genealogical right but all adhered to the Catholic faith.
Unquote.
NOW that is a blatant LIE set up by the Parliament and church of Britain.
Yes there were 57 people but most were NOT Catholic.
Their Surnames were Shirley.
Selina Finch Shirley, was so disgusted, by the Church of England, that they would turn against their own, English people, and to bring in A person from Europe as Germany was part of the ?HOLY Roman Empire, which was always against England and Britain since Magna Carta.
Because of this she Financed the Wesleyan Methodist Church based upon the First Christian Church of Joseph of Aramathea of 47 ad.
This was also known as the Celtic Christian Church.
I know people will go TROPE O and say he does not know, what he is talking about, BUT ONE big question is this.
Selina Finch-Shirley was/is my Great extended Grand Ma.
NO IF OR BUTS.
Then on top of this you have the Will of King William the 4 WHICH the parliament AND the British Church ignored, then ALSO Queen Victoria had NO blood line to the Throne of Great Britain. Her maiden name was Conroy of the house of Saxa Gotha not of the Duke of Kent.
NOW because of what Elizabeth the 2nd and HER parliament, “DID” by signing the ROME Treaty,
She, I question ? and believe and many others also believe that she Abdicated?
IN LAW
I do not agree that Britain is locked into the Illegal EU.
As when Elizabeth the 2nd and her Parliament Illegally ? signed the Treaty of Rome and other treaty,s such as Lisbon she and her parliament,s broke her oath and the oaths of a MP when they stand to accept their seats in the House of Commons and House of Lords-from The Lord Joseph of Aremathea, on behalf of the British people and the Commonwealth, BECAUSE IT IS STILL THERE.
The Crown of David of Israel and Britain still OWN the lands in LAW, Ref book by Kevin Cahill titled,
Who owns the world.
Inroduction Sates, on page 17-18,I quote, Elizabeth 2 owns 6,6000 million acres of land over 1 sixth of the entire land of the Earth.
that is not quite right right,BUT IT tell me why the EU was BRITAIN and the MINERAL and wealth of Canada, Australia,New Zealand and about 20 other commonwealth Countries.
I do not Know every thing, not any one can, say that, but I can say, what has been said to, I my family and over 40 other members of our family,s from the Fifty seven since George the 1st of that time.
Another good book to read is , The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland by Michael of Albany.
There are some interesting family trees in his book that also state back to the house of David and reconised by ALL European Crowns Family,s of Europe
Most of what he has written I know is for real.
But he talks of Lichfield and Abbots Bromly Staffordshire,From the family name Stafford Dukes of Buckingham to the Stuarts children of Bonnie Prince Charly from his wife, Princess of Poland.
NOW think, My wife is Polish born in Germany and maiden name Belza from the lands of Belza Jan 2, John the 2nd of Poland. Ref Book, A thousand Years of Polish History. This is why Britain Declared war on Germany when Germany attacked Poland.
Michael of Albany is NOT what he Claim,s he IS.
He does not own the Lands of Camelot which we do signed with the Royal Stuart signature and seals and The Dukes of Norfolks with 9 witness to the indentures.
So Britain is NOT “LEGALLY” UNDER THE EU EUSSR and ROME.
Albert Hopkins-Shirley.
Dianna.
The EU is not a New pagan Church. It is a OLD one just being reworked to become a New Holy Roman Empire.
And the Bishop of Rome, the head, under the ?Triple Crown?
Making out, He is the Head of the Throne of David.
But he is not that right is to the Crown of Britain.
Albert Hopkins-Shirley.
Hi Albert,
Thankyou for explaining the history, and how it is now in the wrong line, and how the Eu is illegal. I do believe your explanation. Will it ever be returned to the rightful heirs, or has it gone too far down the line? I can see why you said the Royal line connecting to Elizabeth the 2nd from King David is not accurate, due to what you have explained . It looks like your family are the rightful heirs to the throne, by blood. It must be very hard to know your history, and to see all the illegal things happening, is there anything that you can do about it, or do you have to suffer the injustice?
I realised after i asked you if you live in Australia, that you are fighting for your land rights in Uttoxeter, but wondered if you had gone to live there , as you said your gran said go to Melbourne. Also, were you related to Princess Dianna, as i know her family line was a strong line?
Also, i can see what you mean about the `new` Roman Empire, how it is being reworked.
Do you know where i can go to find out more about my family in Germany, i know they came from Frankfurt, before they came to England, but i want to find out how long they came to live in Germany?
Dianne
Hi Dianna.
You have ask a few questions and some I just do not know what will happen.
How ever NO ONE IS GOING TO TAKE AWAY “YOURS” AND “MY” FAMILYS RIGHTS UNDER MAGNA CARTA and our own freedoms which my family have fought for over the past 800 years.
My cousin is Earl Ferrers of the house of Lords today.
I have met his father a few times at my grans house.Also his surname is “Shirley” Ferrers is a old surname which changed when no boys were born and the daughter married a Shirley, though it is like he does not want people to know that.
I know who we ARE and Dianna Spencer,s Great extended grand father is our Great extended grand father.
Earl of Derby also known as King Charles the 1st who reproclaimed the Charters of Uttoxeter Market and about 200 others in Britain.
If you write and get in contact with the German consulate in England and Just say what you are looking for then they normally will help you.
it is funny, My wife is of German Polish desent and she was born at Harndorf as they were in one of the camps there after the war.
My family in the 1500-1600s were the Burgesess of the City Bremen before ? fleeing back to England that is what I was told. {?But I wonder about this}.
All the best Albert.
Hello Albert,
I am told through family history that we descended from royalty. I never thought about it until I seen a picture of Henry Howard painted by Holbien. It was actually a chaulk and ink portrait. At any rate it looked alot like my younger brother. Only then did I research the Dukes Of Norfolk. I know in the States here that General Oliver Otis Howard claimed in in memoirs of 1906 that he was related to a bunch of Howards from Strait Creek Kentucky of which is very close to where my family of 5 generations lived from 1815 until I was born in Ohio 1955. General O.O Howard claimed he was descended from the 1st or 2nd Duke of Norfolk. Again another uncanny resembalance! I have since taken a Y chromesome DNA test along with many USA Howards to find out there are many different Howards. My DNA turned out to be of Haplo group I of which I understand to be Scandinavian DNA. The percentage appears to lean towards being Danish. My question is- what is the DNA Haplo type of the current Dukes Of Norfolk. If it is not Haplo I then.. that would answer my question, but if it is Haplo I .. the numbers would need to be compared… Its been a 20 year mystery to me if I’m related or not. Then again look at my picture on MYSPACE.COM/KEITHHOWARD12STRINGS Thanks for your time. Keith
Hi Dianna.
I have gone over your comments and I agree with most of what you say on the illegal EU-Eussr.
It “Totaly Stinks” when ? Our Queen and HER pollys illegally sold us all out since 1975.
People say to me and to my face, I DO Not know what I am talking about.
I ask them This,
? When is a Treaty not a Treaty?.
When one or two people sign taking away each persons rights, which they have not given signed any document giving that right away.Contractual.
When the people who have signed do not have that RIGHT to sign. As to the reasons, that I have written and explained before hand.
When it is against the laws that have been in place for over 100 years.
When a Prime minister signs in the middle of the agreement and not at the end of the Treaty-Contract as that is what it is. A contract.
When this contract-Treaty breaks the laws of contractual laws and common law rights gained over the 700 years since Magna Carta. the Great Charter which in modern tearm,s is A Contract.
When it breaks Admeralty law as signed over seas.
When I or any one else has NOT and DO not reconise the Illegal European Union in any shape or form.
No signed copy,s shown,given or can not get so there for NOT legal as copys in contractual law must be given shown to the people.
there are others but they are the main ones.
Albert Hopkins-Shirley.
To Keith Howard.It would not surprise me in what you are saying.
You have to remember to become a Duke you have to be of a Royal blood line.Mainly a son of a King.
You say about,your dna,coming from Scandinavian.
Well that is right THEY were of Scandinavian blood stock.
It tells you in the name Dukes of Norfolk.
Made up of the North Folk meaning coming from the North lands.
That,s facts as you have to think before 1066 and back to the 7 kingdoms of Britain and when from about 500 ad the north folk and Vikings gained large areas of Britain to which they then made Kingdoms for them selves.
Up until Alfred the great who united all the 7 kingdom,s under one English Crown. This was only after he married the heiress/Princess of Mercia which was the most powerfull of all the Kingdom,s.
This group of North or Norse men created Normandy and controled the north and Irish seas down to Normandy and is why in the second war They went through Normanday first because the Crown of to day still holds the title of Dukes of Normanday. ? surposedly can only go to the male line but ? Elizabeth 2nd is the ? Duke of Normandy today?.Makes me think.
Just some thing else to think about.
George Washington was the Grandson of lawrence Washington of Garsdon and Sulgrave 1600s.
To which Elizabeth Washington dau of Laurence Washington of garsdonmarried Robert Shirley Baron of Chartly Castle nr Uttoxeter Staffordshire.
makes you think.
also general Robert E lee Granson of the Lees of lichfield meaning in Saxon on the North folks.
Where the word comes from is from when the roman Emperor Dicilian of 150 ad period butchered over 20,000 Celtic Christians from Joseph of Aremathea and Jesus Christ 25ad.
There are many connections such as even Hopkins of the May Flower He Hopkins financed all the provisions on the May Flower. The same as Henry Hopkins of Hobart Town and Melbourne town Australia early 1800s.
Then ? Think of the 2 war and the Pacific front?.
Albert Hopkins-Shirley.
A good web site is, shirleyassocation.com.
Albert.
Albert
thanks for all the information, lots to digest, and i will get the books and look up the Shirley site as well.
Interesting what you said about Victoria and her name Conroy.
What i can`t understand is how the pollys have been able to get away with the breaking of these laws and contracts. The trouble is they change anything if it is their interest, and cheat people to the truth and rights to which they are entitled.
I have received the charts and books that i ordered, and it shows the line of Judah, then Solomon, then Zedekiah, then the Irish , and Scottish kings, then Albert and Victoria, then the House of Windsor. So it should have changed when it came to Victoria to the line of the Hanover family? Have i got that right? According to the chart, i must come from the Levi tribe, if i have got it correct.
I will study the info tonight and see if i can find out more, but i need to contact the German Consulate to trace back.
Dianne
My father Sidney Constant Taylor 18.9.1901 his father Benjamin Constant Taylor dob 23.3.1876 is related to a duke. His mother was Isabel Constant who out lived several husbands married a James Homer 1.8.1889 in Birmingham. She is a link to the Benjamin Constant artist 1845-1902. Her parents mayhave been
Francis Augustus Constant = Mary Ann Allington. Francis parents mayhave been
Richard Allington =Mary Ann Tombs. Another family name conected with the Constant family is a Sidney de Villars. Maybe you can help .
I would like further proof that I am related to the above.
Albert – Thank you so much for that information. I do appreciate the information you’ve provided, but… I would only be further satisfied if I knew of any publication that showed the modern proof that the DNA Y chromesome passed down to the current Dukes was of Haplo Group I. I’ve learned of my family history through some wonderful distant cousins. But I’ve also learned to be careful on what information is true due to human mistakes and assumptions in family trees. Again Thank you so much, Keith
Hi Dianna.
With your comments on EU there is a good blog site call
my.telegraph.co.uk
One of the site is dannael hannan who is a EU mp and you get alot of info from what he writes on his blog.
You get alot of info which you do not get to hear about from the bought out papers and TV.
You can also put in your own comments and it is good as you have a good under standing of things to what you have said.
All the best.
Albert.
Keith.
i do not know about the DNA but I know some familys are doing this to find things out.
The shirley assoc are doing the same thing but the Earl Ferrers surname Shirley who is the ? head of the family will not do one.
? I wonder as in our family it was said that he was not as in the 1800s there was a twist to a long past ?FAMILY connection.
And with what gran said and other relations said I have big doubts on it.
Some times you find out connections by coming from the past back to you. well thats what I found out over the years and the yo may find the missing link to what you are looking for.
All the best Albert.
To Debra Lockwood.
you say Sidney De Villiars.
That was one the name of the Dukes of Buckingham and we are connected to them.
Before this name they were surname Stafford.
1100s.
I can not say where you could find out the DNA but keep looking.
As i said to Dianna go and put it up on Dannael hannans blog site as they say that some times there is over 20,000 hits on his site and may be some one will be able to help.
That has happened to me a couple of years ago.
You just DO not know where info can come from and I have learned not to close your mind to any thing in your search into things.
good luck and all the best.
Albert.
Debra.
That is over 20,000 hits a week.I should have said.
Albert.
Albert,
Thankyou for the site and blog links, i will check them out.
I have been looking up the name Zecher, and this is what i found:-
Zt”l is the abbreviation of the Hebrew words “Zecher Tzaddik L’vracha”=the
memory of a rightous person is a blessing. Z”L means “Zecher L’vracha”
His memory is a blessing. Both are added after a person’s death.
“tl (zecher tzaddik livrocho) — (literally) `remembering the righteous
person for a blessing’. This is an Orthodox custom, said of an
acknowledged scholar and/or religious leader, and refers to the general
belief that the tzaddik (righteous person) can intercede favorably on
our behalf in the Olam Haba (world to come, afterlife).
I thought this was quite interesting. Also someone was looking for other people with that name,on a site that i found, so i have emailed them, and am waiting to hear from them, and i have emailed the German Consulate, so i am waiting to hear back from them too.
I will let you know how i get on, thanks,
Dianne
Hi Dianna.
i am really really glad that my little bit of info has been able to help you.
What you have said I know nothing about but as long as it has made you happy then that has made me happy.
My father used to say.
If you can help some one out each day then it is a happy day for you both.
Meaning The other person and you.
The only thing I know about the Jewish side of things to I and my family is our family,s coat of arms
and that is.
Hopkins, with 3 red, five petal, Tudor roses, which are also called the Mary Magdelan roses. in between them you have the Davic lion which is a lion standing, but is facing foward instead of the French lion facing to the side which is on Queen Elizabeth 2 nd coat of arms.
I know, years ago, when I showed a Jewish person that I knew well, a copy of our family,s coat of arms and he went white and he was shaking. Then walked away and we have never spoken since.
I do not know what it really means, but I was told so, but I do know it comes through our Stuart blood and legal connection, and from our family being the Kings of Jeruselem in the 1100s-1200 period. Gran said we still have a claim to that even today. I have ? dought,s? on that but who knows in this crazy world.
I was told that Dianna Spencer had a better right to the British Throne than Charles when he married her because of her back ground and blood.
All the best on your search.
Albert.
Hi Albert,
That is a good saying from your father, similar to the `good deed for the day`.
It would be good to find out about your coat of arms. I cant understand why the Jewich person did not speak to you, if it is from the Stuart`s legal connection, it is something to be proud of, unless he was in awe, but it would be worth finding out. Why dont you look on line to see if there is any info on it?
Anyway, i have been quite busy and i found some info on Frankfurt that i thought was interesting,:
Frankfurt was one of the most important cities in the following Holy Roman Empire. From 855 the German kings and emperors were elected in Frankfurt and crowned in Aachen. From 1562 the kings/emperors were also crowned in Frankfurt, Maximilian II being the first. This tradition ended in 1792, when Franz II was elected. His coronation was deliberately held on Bastille Day, 14 July, the anniversary of the storming of the Bastilor a long time Frankfurt was a Protestant-dominated city. However, during the 19th century an increasing number of Catholics moved to the city. Today a small majority of its citizens are Catholic. According to the Central Council of Jews in Germany, there are 7,300 Jews affiliated with Judaism in Frankfurt, giving it the second largest Jewish community (behind Berlin) in Germany.le. The elections and coronations took place in St. Bartholomäus cathedral, known as the Kaiserdom (en: Emperor’s Cathedral), or in its predecessors.
I am still waiting to hear about the Family line, but thought it was interesting about the history of Frankfurt.
Dianne
Dianna.
I am glad that you are finding a few things out.
It can be a very slow thing.
I am not very good with computers but I am slowly getting to put my finger on/in the right places.
I will try what you have said but its time factors.
But slowly I will blod on.
Most Interesting the word Kaiser, meaning Emperor.
Answers a few questions of mine.
If you want to see the TRUE CAMELOT go to St Johns Church and look over to the Alton Castle/Keep and look at the cut out moat on you left then think that in spring and early winter about 10 times a year the Churnet valley mist comes down the valley and fills it up.The cutting is on of only 3to 5 Double draw bridge moats in England.
I have seen it that thick, you think you could walk on it.
You then TRULY have the Castle of the Clouds of King Auther 550ad period.
Also look at the stone of the keep to day and its White Alton stone and it is the ONLY stone in the world Called Royal Stone.
Makes you think.
I come from Alton and my family still live there.
All the best Albert.
Hi Dianna.
Thank you so much for your surgestion about Bremen.
Up to now I have not found out about what I have said BUT it has answered other questions which I have/did not think were attached to our history of Bremen.
Thanks so much.
Albert.
Dianna.
If you go to the Alton Blog site,
alton/staffs.co.uk you will see some of our history.
Bertrum Verdun was our great extended Grand father.
he built the second keep on the ruins of the first built by the Romans,
Some of the ruins are still there if you know where to look as we do.
albert.
Albert,
I`m glad that i could help you for a change!
I will check out the Alton Blog site today.
It was very interesting about the Castle of the Clouds of King Auther, i will have a day out there as soon as i can.
Still got a lot of research to do, but am finding lots of interesting things out on the way, thanks to you Albert!
Dianne
Hi Dianna.
Only to happy to help.
Albert.
Hi Albert,
I have come to a stop at the moment, i haven`t heard back from the Consul, and i don`t know if i will be able to get the information unless i go to Frankfurt to look through the records there. There are a few sites online, but i don`t know whether they will give me the information that i want. thought i would just let you know how it is going,
Dianne
Dianna definatley follow up the German consulate again you know what i mean Albert
Hello Albert,
I am still waiting to hear from the consul, but i have received an email from a Magistrate in Frankfurt, but i can`t understand all of it as it is in German. I can understand some of it, some dates etc., but i will ask a friend who`s mother is German to translate it for me, and i will let you know any updates,
Dianne
Dianna.
It is great to here that some thing is happening for you.
I know that the local courts in Germany have a lot of the local records and the knowledge of where other records are.
I am glad that I may have helped you .
All the best Albert.
Hello Albert,
I got a reply from the magistrate, and he translated the email for me. He has given me an address to write to, so i am sending that off asap, i will let you know any more news when i here it,
All the best to you to,
Dianne
Keith Howard and Dukes of Norlfolk.
As you already know your dna, why not as a long shot give your details to the, shirley assocation.com as this is a Shirley family site and they are doing dna.
My father sid we are of blood of the Howards but I have not done to much on that side of things.
How ever,We have indentures withe the Howard signatures and seals on them.
When you see the shirley site there is on page index which has the sketch of a house and gates.
That is Staunton Harold of Lecistershire.
My sister is Lady of Staunton Harold to day.
Hope this helps your DNA.
Albert.
To Annabel Parr.From Albert Hopkins-Shirley.
Hi there.
I do not know very much on on the Parr family butwhat little, I do Know is this.
The Parr family were Connected into Kendle castle of Westmorland connected the Herbert family, of clive of India fame.Also I think the Barony of Dunsany of Ireland.
There I believe connection to William Herbert 1st Earl of Pempbroke and Cardiff Castle.
Then through this to the Grey family of Lady Jane Grey Queen for 7 days.
This is connected to my family, throught Captain Herbert Hopkins of Marchington Hall Uttoxeter Staffordshire. 1902 period,
Who,s wife was a Herbert from Lady Jane,s Sister.
Hoping this may help you in your family tree.
Good books to look into are peerage books written BEFORE 1910.such has Whitakers,Debrets,and burkes.
Where the word Burk comes it to the English language.
IE, You Burke.
Albert Hopkins-Shirley
To Annabel Parr.And all.
Hi again.
After going over what I have written to you I have a few tips to say.
With family trees it really is not like a tree.
As some branches marry back into the family, may be 100s of years later, and some time just 1st and 2nd cousins.
So you have loops not branches which do not come back to the trunk of the tree.
Also which Over the years I and my family have had problems with is Surnames.
This is when a branch of the family us a Title name in their records in stead of there surname.
A good one in our family is Ferrers.
The name Ferrers is/was a true surname up to about 1300s, then became a title name but their true surname was/is Shirley.
This is like our cousin uses the Title Earl Ferrers name, BUT in fact his Surname is Shirley.
Then people who write books and records put down Ferrers when infact should be Shirley.
If you do not know the connection, then you, as we have found, You are at a loss, Hey where to go ?.
Also many names were changed because of wills and titles.
Such has the Earls/Dukes of Norfolk.
I think also in our family.
Their surname is Howard today BUT, when one of Dukes blood line Died out, and the next line had a different name, they had to change their name to accept the title.
Had to change their name from Vyse to Howard so has to be granted the Dukedom.
So really their name should be Vyse.
That has happened many times since 1066 in many familys.
Hope that helps you and all.
Albert.
Doing research i beleive i am descended from Ailric who was a Saxon Thegn who, at the time of the Norman Conquest in 1066 had huge holdings of land in Yorkshire. His lands are described as Silkstone, High Hoyland, Clayton, Thurgoland, Skelmanthorpe, Cumberworth, Hunshelf, Thurlston, Wortley, Pilley, Tankersley, Brierley, Hidley, part of Sh afton and Carlton, Cawthorne, Kexborough, Gunthwaite, Peniston, Worsborough, Carlton, Newhill, Walton, Mensthorp, Wrangbrook, Middleton, Bretton, Newhall, Raynebergh, Lyntwayt (Linthwaite?), Brainton, Dirnham and Stanclyf (Staincliffe?), Meresbrick, Dyrne (Dearne?) and Lunda in Cumberlanda. After the Conquest it appears that he had the lands taken from him but retained the tenancy under de LThe second pedigree, attached as Appendix II shows this link in more detail and is taken from the book “King Edward III” by Michael Packe, edited by L.C.B. Seaman and published by Routledge and Kegan Paul. On the same chart as Margaret Neville, a descendant of Adam Fitz Sveinn are shown some of the most glamorous names in English history – King Edward III by implication (as John O’ Gaunt’s father) John O’ Gaunt, and that other famous son of Edward III, the Black Prince. Five other English Kings, Henry IV, Henry V, Henry VI, Edward IV, Richard III. It also shows that John O’ Gaunt’s daughters and grand-daughters married John, King of Portugal, King Charles VI of France, King Henry III of Castille, King Ludvig of Bavaria and King Erik IX of Denmark, and it leads on to all the Tudor and Stuart monarchs of England. Adam fitz Sveinn de Bretton would have been proud to be associated with such a pedigree as this.
acy, the new owner.
apparantly Adam de Montbegon m Matida fitzadam dau. of Adam fitz sveinn
had a daughter Alice some records say maybe she was illegitment while others say she was his daughter. She married Edward de Bury
who had adam de bury ….then de bury down to william de bury who lived in livesey lancs and took the name livesey from his descendants it leads to me.
Would I be connected to all those kings and queens etc.
To Kelly Liversey.
Hi Kelly I hope I can help you in your adventure into time past.
I call it, The Tunnel of TIME, my family,s TIME past.
Simple answer is YES you could well have a blood line to all theses Kings and Many Many MORE, going back well over 1500 years even back to the House off King David of Is-ra-el and all what that means.
Think, RA is Egyptian.
Most family,s of the times remarried into sections of the familys,. So there fore a tree is really not a good way of saying things as branches married back into another branch which trees do not.
It is like Loops coming back and there you have the twist and turns through the main line may be a female but her name changes and then you have a twist.
As you have already said but it happens SO SO often its not funny.
How ever it is fun as you go along.
Family tree Document is,
The Illustrious Lineage, of the Royal House of Britain By M H Milner London Date, MCMXX111.
Books,
A lot of the names you have said are in these books and docs.
Stemmata Shirleiana, {English},Crowns of Shirley.by Evelyn Philip Shirley by Hammersmith Pub.
kings and Queens of Britain by David Williamson 1991
published by Webb and Bower.
Lines of Succcession, heraldry of the royal families of Europe, ByJiri Louda and Michael Maclagan.
The Forgotten Monarchy of Scotland by Michael of Albany,pub by Element Books.
These will help you
You should be able to get them from your local libary.
You have been doing some research have you not and you would have come across many twists and turns which really makes things very interesting.
You ask a few questions in your comments.
All I can say is what I know which is to do with my family.
I would surgest you to get in contact with the
British Israel assocation I believe they are in Birmingham.
They have so much information on their records.
This is also in British government records.
Much of their work has reference documents to where the connections come in to things.
As you say you can trace back to the Stuarts and Plantagenet kings such has, Edward the Third who was the last king to sign the third Magna Carta.
You may be interested in that.
The foundation of Common and British Laws which has gone world wide.IE America,Australia where i Live,India the largest Democratic country and peoples in the world.
Most Saxon Thains-Thegn where the word “Then” comes from.
Well they trace back to the king God Woden from Saxony in the Gernamic lands of the Day.
Then you say of the Plantagenet,s, well they go back to
Israel house of David NO less.
I know that this will come as a shock as it did with me at first. Most interesting.
Well all the best
Albert Hopkins-Shirley
I DESCEND FROM THE TEMPLAR KNIGHTS DE LEYBOURNES FROM FRANCE CAME OVER WITH WILLIAM 1 MARRIED INTO BOTH THE ENGLISH AND SCOTTISH ROYAL FAMILY BUILT CASTLES HAD LAND GIVEN TO THEM NAMED LEYBURN IN NORTH YORSHIRE AND KENT IF AM RIGHT IVE MANAGED TO TRACE THE LINE BACK TO FRANCE THEN TO GERMANY THEN SWEDISH ROYALTY THEN MONGOLIA 800AD PLEASE HELP TO CONFIRM THIS THANK YOU CAROL